All three guests remain to dig a little deeper into the judicial and, perhaps, moral aspects of the fight against the TTP ban. The NYCLU is constantly on guard for issues affecting New York where the only recourse is a lawsuit. But with the changing judicial system, every case seems designed to make its way to the Supreme Court, where it is unlikely the administration will lose. Donna Lieberman and Harsha Panduranga talk about why, even when the prospects are bleak, it’s important to fight back. And they and Yaritza Mendez also widen the discussion to the reasoning behind the ban and actions like it: to make cities and states like New York more cooperative when it comes to immigration.